Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

"Darryl Richman" · Post by **"Darryl Richman"** » Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:35 pm

See it for yourself:
The Incomparable BMW R90S - Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners<https://vintagebmw.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=17>.

In order to be able to join the community chat, you need a login, which is free. Go here to get a free account (if you decide later to join the club, you can upgrade):
Membership Checkout (vintagebmw.org)<https://vintagebmw.org/membership-accou ... t/?level=4>

--Darryl Richman

From: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Grossman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:28 PM
To: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

Hi Mac
Thanks for this update.
What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to VBMWMO? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other vintage BMW models?
Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed response.
Thanks,
Denny

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com<mailto:drbeemer73@gmail.com>> wrote:
All R90sWorldnet members:

As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.

I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!

I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons:
No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it.
and
There is a better alternative which is as follows:
The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
https://vintagebmw.org
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah

.) Ha...

If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and...
The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.

Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.
AND it is all searchable!

We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S

so that is good.

You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer).
Or
You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)

If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.

Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.

Thanks,
and
Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you,

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA

"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue

"Robert Alexander" · Post by **"Robert Alexander"** » Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:58 pm

I like Mac & others idea of moving our communication to the Vintage Club.

Bob Alexander

From: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> On Behalf Of Darryl Richman
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 5:35 PM
To: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

See it for yourself:

The Incomparable BMW R90S - Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners <https://vintagebmw.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=17> .

In order to be able to join the community chat, you need a login, which is free. Go here to get a free account (if you decide later to join the club, you can upgrade):

Membership Checkout (vintagebmw.org) <https://vintagebmw.org/membership-accou ... t/?level=4>

--Darryl Richman

From: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> > On Behalf Of Dennis Grossman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:28 PM
To: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

Hi Mac

Thanks for this update.

What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to VBMWMO? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other vintage BMW models?

Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed response.

Thanks,

Denny

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com <mailto:drbeemer73@gmail.com> > wrote:

All R90sWorldnet members:

As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.

I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!

I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons:

No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it.

and

There is a better alternative which is as follows:

The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see

https://vintagebmw.org

(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah

.) Ha...

If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and...

The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.

Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.

AND it is all searchable!

We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S

so that is good.

You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer).

Or

You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)

If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.

Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.

Thanks,

and

Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you,

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick

Glenmoore, PA

"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue

"James Marciano" · Post by **"James Marciano"** » Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:28 pm

Thanks for everyone's input - sounds like we have a lot of enthusiasm to
move to the Vintage club forum, which I'm all in favor of. Like others have
said, I'm happy to consolidate the number of places to find information.
I'm also hopeful that because there are so few of us, that we can all get
along on one platform

Mac - if you decide to go this way, LMK and I can help look into the
transfer from groups.io.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:58 AM Robert Alexander <rockersbmw@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I like Mac & others idea of moving our communication to the Vintage Club.
>
>
>
> Bob Alexander
>
>
>
> *From:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Darryl
> Richman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2023 5:35 PM
> *To:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet
>
>
>
> See it for yourself:
>
> The Incomparable BMW R90S - Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners
> <https://vintagebmw.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=17>.
>
>
>
> In order to be able to join the community chat, you need a login, which is
> free. Go here to get a free account (if you decide later to join the club,
> you can upgrade):
>
> Membership Checkout (vintagebmw.org)
> <https://vintagebmw.org/membership-accou ... t/?level=4>
>
>
>
> --Darryl Richman
>
>
>
> *From:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> Grossman via groups.io
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:28 PM
> *To:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet
>
>
>
> Hi Mac
>
> Thanks for this update.
>
> What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to
> VBMWMO? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S
> communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same
> ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would
> one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other
> vintage BMW models?
>
> Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed
> response.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Denny
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> All R90sWorldnet members:
>
>
>
> As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago,
> truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I
> was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would
> cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to
> continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen
> beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold
> will mean data will be automatically deleted.
>
>
>
> I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the
> R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano.
> We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep
> things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
>
>
>
> I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay
> myself, for several reasons:
>
> No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is
> little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest
> to do about it.
>
> and
>
> There is a better alternative which is as follows:
>
> The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
>
> https://vintagebmw.org
>
> (Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am
> currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah

.) Ha...
>
>
>
> If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an
> immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for
> instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell
> area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are
> digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of
> information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German),
> repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model
> information such as VIN range and...
>
> The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions
> from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which
> I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like
> you, I really love the R90S.
>
>
>
> Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative
> since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will
> store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us
> R90S members will post.
>
> AND it is all searchable!
>
>
>
> We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site
> under Forums, the Incomparable R90S

so that is good.
>
>
>
> You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have
> mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you
> prefer).
>
> Or
>
> You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or
> have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't
> pay to join.)
>
>
>
> If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a
> better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.
>
>
>
> Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> and
>
> Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this
> and contact me about it.
>
>
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mac Kirkpatrick
>
> Glenmoore, PA
>
>
>
> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
> C. Donahue
>
>
>
>

--
For information about our Airbnb <https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/30120821>
and things to do in and around Sergeantsville, NJ
<https://travelade.com/sergeantsville/>.

"Mac Kirkpatrick" · Post by **"Mac Kirkpatrick"** » Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:54 pm

Again, thanks James!

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA

"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:29 AM James Marciano <marciano@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for everyone's input - sounds like we have a lot of enthusiasm to
> move to the Vintage club forum, which I'm all in favor of. Like others have
> said, I'm happy to consolidate the number of places to find information.
> I'm also hopeful that because there are so few of us, that we can all get
> along on one platform

>
> Mac - if you decide to go this way, LMK and I can help look into the
> transfer from groups.io.
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:58 AM Robert Alexander <rockersbmw@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I like Mac & others idea of moving our communication to the Vintage Club.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Darryl
>> Richman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2023 5:35 PM
>> *To:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet
>>
>>
>>
>> See it for yourself:
>>
>> The Incomparable BMW R90S - Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners
>> <https://vintagebmw.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=17>.
>>
>>
>>
>> In order to be able to join the community chat, you need a login, which
>> is free. Go here to get a free account (if you decide later to join the
>> club, you can upgrade):
>>
>> Membership Checkout (vintagebmw.org)
>> <https://vintagebmw.org/membership-accou ... t/?level=4>
>>
>>
>>
>> --Darryl Richman
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Dennis
>> Grossman via groups.io
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:28 PM
>> *To:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Mac
>>
>> Thanks for this update.
>>
>> What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to
>> VBMWMO? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S
>> communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same
>> ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would
>> one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other
>> vintage BMW models?
>>
>> Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed
>> response.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Denny
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> All R90sWorldnet members:
>>
>>
>>
>> As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago,
>> truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I
>> was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would
>> cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to
>> continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen
>> beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold
>> will mean data will be automatically deleted.
>>
>>
>>
>> I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the
>> R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano.
>> We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep
>> things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay
>> myself, for several reasons:
>>
>> No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is
>> little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest
>> to do about it.
>>
>> and
>>
>> There is a better alternative which is as follows:
>>
>> The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
>>
>> https://vintagebmw.org
>>
>> (Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am
>> currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah

.) Ha...
>>
>>
>>
>> If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an
>> immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for
>> instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell
>> area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are
>> digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of
>> information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German),
>> repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model
>> information such as VIN range and...
>>
>> The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions
>> from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which
>> I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like
>> you, I really love the R90S.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative
>> since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will
>> store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us
>> R90S members will post.
>>
>> AND it is all searchable!
>>
>>
>>
>> We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO
>> site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S

so that is good.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have
>> mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you
>> prefer).
>>
>> Or
>>
>> You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or
>> have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't
>> pay to join.)
>>
>>
>>
>> If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a
>> better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> and
>>
>> Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into
>> this and contact me about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mac Kirkpatrick
>>
>> Glenmoore, PA
>>
>>
>>
>> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
>> C. Donahue
>>
>>
>
> --
> For information about our Airbnb <https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/30120821>
> and things to do in and around Sergeantsville, NJ
> <https://travelade.com/sergeantsville/>.
>
>
>

"Dennis Grossman" · Post by **"Dennis Grossman"** » Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:14 pm

Thanks Mac for all of your work on keeping this group and information
together.
I have reviewed the Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners site as you suggested.
I agree with the overall sentiment that efficiency and continuity will
result from merging these groups.
I appreciate the opportunity to provide input.
Denny Grossman

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:54 AM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Again, thanks James!
>
>
> Mac Kirkpatrick
> Glenmoore, PA
>
> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
> C. Donahue
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:29 AM James Marciano <marciano@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for everyone's input - sounds like we have a lot of enthusiasm to
>> move to the Vintage club forum, which I'm all in favor of. Like others have
>> said, I'm happy to consolidate the number of places to find information.
>> I'm also hopeful that because there are so few of us, that we can all get
>> along on one platform

>>
>> Mac - if you decide to go this way, LMK and I can help look into the
>> transfer from groups.io.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:58 AM Robert Alexander <rockersbmw@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like Mac & others idea of moving our communication to the Vintage Club.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Alexander
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Darryl
>>> Richman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2023 5:35 PM
>>> *To:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
>>> *Subject:* Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the
>>> R90sWorldnet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> See it for yourself:
>>>
>>> The Incomparable BMW R90S - Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners
>>> <https://vintagebmw.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=17>.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In order to be able to join the community chat, you need a login, which
>>> is free. Go here to get a free account (if you decide later to join the
>>> club, you can upgrade):
>>>
>>> Membership Checkout (vintagebmw.org)
>>> <https://vintagebmw.org/membership-accou ... t/?level=4>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --Darryl Richman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Dennis
>>> Grossman via groups.io
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:28 PM
>>> *To:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
>>> *Subject:* Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the
>>> R90sWorldnet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mac
>>>
>>> Thanks for this update.
>>>
>>> What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to
>>> VBMWMO? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S
>>> communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same
>>> ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would
>>> one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other
>>> vintage BMW models?
>>>
>>> Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed
>>> response.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Denny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All R90sWorldnet members:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago,
>>> truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I
>>> was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would
>>> cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to
>>> continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen
>>> beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold
>>> will mean data will be automatically deleted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the
>>> R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano.
>>> We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep
>>> things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay
>>> myself, for several reasons:
>>>
>>> No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is
>>> little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest
>>> to do about it.
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> There is a better alternative which is as follows:
>>>
>>> The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
>>>
>>> https://vintagebmw.org
>>>
>>> (Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am
>>> currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah

.) Ha...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an
>>> immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for
>>> instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell
>>> area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are
>>> digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of
>>> information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German),
>>> repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model
>>> information such as VIN range and...
>>>
>>> The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask
>>> questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable
>>> R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's
>>> history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative
>>> since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will
>>> store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us
>>> R90S members will post.
>>>
>>> AND it is all searchable!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO
>>> site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S

so that is good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have
>>> mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you
>>> prefer).
>>>
>>> Or
>>>
>>> You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or
>>> have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't
>>> pay to join.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a
>>> better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into
>>> this and contact me about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mac Kirkpatrick
>>>
>>> Glenmoore, PA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
>>> C. Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> For information about our Airbnb <https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/30120821>
>> and things to do in and around Sergeantsville, NJ
>> <https://travelade.com/sergeantsville/>.
>>
>>
>
>

herbg1000@gmail.com · Post by **herbg1000@gmail.com** » Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:24 pm

Count me in for the merger with VBMWO. I find the Forums a bit easier to
navigate than this format so I'm completely in favour!

On Fri., Aug. 11, 2023, 12:14 p.m. Dennis Grossman, <
denny.grossman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mac for all of your work on keeping this group and information
> together.
> I have reviewed the Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners site as you suggested.
> I agree with the overall sentiment that efficiency and continuity will
> result from merging these groups.
> I appreciate the opportunity to provide input.
> Denny Grossman
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:54 AM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Again, thanks James!
>>
>>
>> Mac Kirkpatrick
>> Glenmoore, PA
>>
>> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
>> C. Donahue
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:29 AM James Marciano <marciano@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for everyone's input - sounds like we have a lot of enthusiasm to
>>> move to the Vintage club forum, which I'm all in favor of. Like others have
>>> said, I'm happy to consolidate the number of places to find information.
>>> I'm also hopeful that because there are so few of us, that we can all get
>>> along on one platform

>>>
>>> Mac - if you decide to go this way, LMK and I can help look into the
>>> transfer from groups.io.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:58 AM Robert Alexander <rockersbmw@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like Mac & others idea of moving our communication to the Vintage
>>>> Club.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob Alexander
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Darryl
>>>> Richman
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2023 5:35 PM
>>>> *To:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the
>>>> R90sWorldnet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See it for yourself:
>>>>
>>>> The Incomparable BMW R90S - Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners
>>>> <https://vintagebmw.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=17>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to be able to join the community chat, you need a login, which
>>>> is free. Go here to get a free account (if you decide later to join the
>>>> club, you can upgrade):
>>>>
>>>> Membership Checkout (vintagebmw.org)
>>>> <https://vintagebmw.org/membership-accou ... t/?level=4>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --Darryl Richman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Dennis
>>>> Grossman via groups.io
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:28 PM
>>>> *To:* R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the
>>>> R90sWorldnet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mac
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this update.
>>>>
>>>> What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to
>>>> VBMWMO? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S
>>>> communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same
>>>> ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would
>>>> one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other
>>>> vintage BMW models?
>>>>
>>>> Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed
>>>> response.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Denny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All R90sWorldnet members:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago,
>>>> truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I
>>>> was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would
>>>> cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to
>>>> continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen
>>>> beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold
>>>> will mean data will be automatically deleted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the
>>>> R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano.
>>>> We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep
>>>> things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay
>>>> myself, for several reasons:
>>>>
>>>> No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is
>>>> little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest
>>>> to do about it.
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> There is a better alternative which is as follows:
>>>>
>>>> The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
>>>>
>>>> https://vintagebmw.org
>>>>
>>>> (Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am
>>>> currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah

.) Ha...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an
>>>> immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for
>>>> instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell
>>>> area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are
>>>> digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of
>>>> information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German),
>>>> repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model
>>>> information such as VIN range and...
>>>>
>>>> The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask
>>>> questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable
>>>> R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's
>>>> history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative
>>>> since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will
>>>> store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us
>>>> R90S members will post.
>>>>
>>>> AND it is all searchable!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO
>>>> site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S

so that is good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have
>>>> mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you
>>>> prefer).
>>>>
>>>> Or
>>>>
>>>> You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or
>>>> have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't
>>>> pay to join.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a
>>>> better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into
>>>> this and contact me about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mac Kirkpatrick
>>>>
>>>> Glenmoore, PA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
>>>> C. Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> For information about our Airbnb <https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/30120821>
>>> and things to do in and around Sergeantsville, NJ
>>> <https://travelade.com/sergeantsville/>.
>>>
>>>
>

"RALPH JUST" · Post by **"RALPH JUST"** » Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:32 pm

Give got no reason to object...

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 12:31 PM, Herb Goedecke<herbg1000@gmail.com> wrote: Count me in for the merger with VBMWO. I find the Forums a bit easier to navigate than this format so I'm completely in favour!
On Fri., Aug. 11, 2023, 12:14 p.m. Dennis Grossman, <denny.grossman@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Mac for all of your work on keeping this group and information together. I have reviewed the Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners site as you suggested.I agree with the overall sentiment that efficiency and continuity will result from merging these groups.I appreciate the opportunity to provide input.Denny Grossman
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:54 AM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com> wrote:

Again, thanks James!

Mac KirkpatrickGlenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:29 AM James Marciano <marciano@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for everyone's input - sounds like we have a lot of enthusiasm to move to the Vintage club forum, which I'm all in favor of. Like others have said, I'm happy to consolidate the number of places to find information. I'm also hopeful that because there are so few of us, that we can all get along on one platform

Mac - if you decide to go this way, LMK and I can help look into the transfer from groups.io.
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:58 AM Robert Alexander <rockersbmw@gmail.com> wrote:

I like Mac & others idea of moving our communication to the Vintage Club.

Bob Alexander

From: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> On Behalf Of Darryl Richman
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 5:35 PM
To: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

See it for yourself:

The Incomparable BMW R90S - Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners.

In order to be able to join the community chat, you need a login, which is free. Go here to get a free account (if you decide later to join the club, you can upgrade):

Membership Checkout (vintagebmw.org)

--Darryl Richman

From: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Grossman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:28 PM
To: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

Hi Mac

Thanks for this update.

What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to VBMWMO? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other vintage BMW models?

Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed response.

Thanks,

Denny

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com> wrote:

All R90sWorldnet members:

As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.

I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!

I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons:

No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it.

and

There is a better alternative which is as follows:

The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see

https://vintagebmw.org

(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah

.) Ha...

If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and...

The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.

Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.

AND it is all searchable!

We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S

so that is good.

You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer).

Or

You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)

If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.

Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.

Thanks,

and

Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you,

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick

Glenmoore, PA

"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue

--
For information about our Airbnb and things to do in and around Sergeantsville, NJ.

"Robert Alexander" · Post by **"Robert Alexander"** » Sat Aug 12, 2023 1:48 pm

Sorry Darryl…but Darryl Richmond may be of good help with a transfer. If my old brain remembers correctly, Darryl was involved with developing the VBMW website????

From: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> On Behalf Of James Marciano
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 9:29 AM
To: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

Thanks for everyone's input - sounds like we have a lot of enthusiasm to move to the Vintage club forum, which I'm all in favor of. Like others have said, I'm happy to consolidate the number of places to find information. I'm also hopeful that because there are so few of us, that we can all get along on one platform

Mac - if you decide to go this way, LMK and I can help look into the transfer from groups.io <http://groups.io> .

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:58 AM Robert Alexander <rockersbmw@gmail.com <mailto:rockersbmw@gmail.com> > wrote:

I like Mac & others idea of moving our communication to the Vintage Club.

Bob Alexander

From: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> > On Behalf Of Darryl Richman
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 5:35 PM
To: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

See it for yourself:

The Incomparable BMW R90S - Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners <https://vintagebmw.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=17> .

In order to be able to join the community chat, you need a login, which is free. Go here to get a free account (if you decide later to join the club, you can upgrade):

Membership Checkout (vintagebmw.org) <https://vintagebmw.org/membership-accou ... t/?level=4>

--Darryl Richman

From: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> <R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io> > On Behalf Of Dennis Grossman via groups.io <http://groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:28 PM
To: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io <mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

Hi Mac

Thanks for this update.

What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to VBMWMO? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other vintage BMW models?

Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed response.

Thanks,

Denny

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com <mailto:drbeemer73@gmail.com> > wrote:

All R90sWorldnet members:

As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.

I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!

I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons:

No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it.

and

There is a better alternative which is as follows:

The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see

https://vintagebmw.org

(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah

.) Ha...

If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and...

The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.

Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.

AND it is all searchable!

We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S

so that is good.

You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer).

Or

You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)

If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.

Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.

Thanks,

and

Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you,

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick

Glenmoore, PA

"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue

--

For information about our Airbnb <https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/30120821> and things to do in and around Sergeantsville, NJ <https://travelade.com/sergeantsville/> .