Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

["Mac Kirkpatrick"]

Hi Peter, both the R90sWorldnet members as well as the Vintage BMW
Motorcycle Owners members are from all over the world.
They are both international.

Thanks Peter,


Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA

"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue


On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 7:39 PM PJ GAUTILLE <PGAUTILLE@cox.net> wrote:

> Thank you Mac. Appreciate the update and options. I'm new to the
> R90SWORLDNET Group since about Jan of 2023.
> Don't recall seeing your email on this subject? I think it's a GREAT SITE
> and GROUP of R90S owners.
>
> I would be willing to pay to keep it running ie. data charges etc.
> However, if you feel VBMW is the better way to go - I'll
> also do that. I am already subscribed to it and it is also a wealth of
> knowledge. I just liked the international appeal of
> R90SWORLDNET, as you hear from R90S owners all over the planet. Just my 2
> cents.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Peter G./ San Diego
> 1973 BMW R90S
>
> *PJ Gautille*
>
> On 8/10/2023 3:34 PM, OLD BMWS via groups.io wrote:
>
> BRILLIANT!
>
> Ted
>
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 06:05:07 PM EDT, Mac Kirkpatrick
> <drbeemer73@gmail.com> <drbeemer73@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> All R90sWorldnet members:
>
> As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago,
> truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I
> was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would
> cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to
> continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen
> beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold
> will mean data will be automatically deleted.
>
> I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the
> R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano.
> We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep
> things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
>
> I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay
> myself, for several reasons:
> No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is
> little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest
> to do about it.
> and
> There is a better alternative which is as follows:
> The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
> https://vintagebmw.org
> (Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am
> currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah .) Ha...
>
> If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an
> immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for
> instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell
> area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are
> digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of
> information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German),
> repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model
> information such as VIN range and...
> The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions
> from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which
> I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like
> you, I really love the R90S.
>
> Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative
> since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will
> store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us
> R90S members will post.
> AND it is all searchable!
>
> We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site
> under Forums, the Incomparable R90S so that is good.
>
> You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have
> mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you
> prefer).
> Or
> You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or
> have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't
> pay to join.)
>
> If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a
> better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.
>
> Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.
>
> Thanks,
> and
> Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this
> and contact me about it.
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Mac Kirkpatrick
> Glenmoore, PA
>
> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
> C. Donahue
>
>
>
>
>

["rah1963_2002"]

I am fairly new to BMWs, having bought my first as a project just before COVID (an R100RS) and shortly thereafter a 90S project. This forum has proven invaluable to me and many of the members helpful so if it's information can be transferred to the vintage BMW group (also really helpful), that would be great.

Richard.

["Steve White"]

Mac, thank you for your service, and thanks to J M for stepping up. Surely we can all get on board w/ Vintage bmw.
Steve

> On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All R90sWorldnet members:
>
> As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
>
> I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
>
> I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons:
> No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it.
> and
> There is a better alternative which is as follows:
> The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
> https://vintagebmw.org <https://vintagebmw.org/>
> (Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah .) Ha...
>
> If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and...
> The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
>
> Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.
> AND it is all searchable!
>
> We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S so that is good.
>
> You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer).
> Or
> You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
>
> If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.
>
> Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.
>
> Thanks,
> and
> Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Mac Kirkpatrick
> Glenmoore, PA
>
> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
> C. Donahue
>

["Kelly Fry"]

Mac,
Appreciate your work over the years. I for one think it's a smart move to VBMWMO.
Once the move was made from Yahoo, I always found the group mesages a little clunky.
Now I just need to re-up my membership at VBMWMO.
Best,
Kelly

["Kirk Lee"]

I love the move, I'm in that website often.  Member there for a few years now
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 08:45:51 PM MST, Kelly Fry <ksf@sprynet.com> wrote:

Mac,
Appreciate your work over the years. I for one think it's a smart move to VBMWMO.
Once the move was made from Yahoo, I always found the group mesages a little clunky.
Now I just need to re-up my membership at VBMWMO.
Best,
Kelly

["Dennis O'Dell"]

Mac,
I support your proposal.

Full disclosure, I am already a member of VBMWMO.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen/With best regards,

Dennis O'Dell

"Laughter and Tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to Laugh since there is less to do afterwards."
- Kurt Vonnegut

> On 11. Aug 2023, at 00:05, Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> All R90sWorldnet members:
>
> As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
>
> I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
>
> I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons:
> No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it.
> and
> There is a better alternative which is as follows:
> The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
> https://vintagebmw.org
>
> (Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah .) Ha...
>
> If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and...
> The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
>
> Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.
> AND it is all searchable!
>
> We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S so that is good.
>
> You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer).
> Or
> You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
>
> If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.
>
> Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.
>
> Thanks,
> and
> Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
>
> Best,
>
> Mac Kirkpatrick
> Glenmoore, PA
>
> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
> C. Donahue

[hanskauf@sbcglobal.net]

Mac,
Thank you for your leadership on this and the VBMWMO club to which I am also a member. Migrating the data to the VBMWMO site makes sense. I will claim some ignorance on groups, Listserv's, and social media in general so this may be a dumb question. Will this change how we receive notices that there are posts regarding the R90S discussion/topics? Put another way, I currently receive an occasional email that lets me know that someone has posted. I click the link in the email and enjoy a respite from whatever I was doing (like work) and engage or just read the current topic. If this info gets moved to the VBMWMC Owners club website, will I still receive the email notices that I get now or will I need to remember to log on to the website and proactively seek this experience rather than getting the nudge via email?
Thanks for the clarification.
Hans Kaufmann
Oakland CA

[panhd60@gmail.com]

Mac, some years back you were looking for a cap for hour tire pump. I just
ran across in my collection of parts. Do you still need it to make your
beautiful bike complete?

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 6:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com> wrote:

> All R90sWorldnet members:
>
> As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago,
> truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I
> was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would
> cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to
> continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen
> beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold
> will mean data will be automatically deleted.
>
> I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the
> R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano.
> We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep
> things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
>
> I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay
> myself, for several reasons:
> No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is
> little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest
> to do about it.
> and
> There is a better alternative which is as follows:
> The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
> https://vintagebmw.org
> (Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am
> currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah .) Ha...
>
> If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an
> immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for
> instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell
> area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are
> digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of
> information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German),
> repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model
> information such as VIN range and...
> The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions
> from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which
> I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like
> you, I really love the R90S.
>
> Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative
> since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will
> store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us
> R90S members will post.
> AND it is all searchable!
>
> We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site
> under Forums, the Incomparable R90S so that is good.
>
> You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have
> mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you
> prefer).
> Or
> You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or
> have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't
> pay to join.)
>
> If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a
> better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.
>
> Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.
>
> Thanks,
> and
> Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this
> and contact me about it.
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Mac Kirkpatrick
> Glenmoore, PA
>
> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
> C. Donahue
>
>

["Mac Kirkpatrick"]

I found that part Joe, thanks. I think that “some years back” was over 10
years, Yikes. Thx again,

Mac

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 18:37 joe lockhat <panhd60@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mac, some years back you were looking for a cap for hour tire pump. I just
> ran across in my collection of parts. Do you still need it to make your
> beautiful bike complete?
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 6:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> All R90sWorldnet members:
>>
>> As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago,
>> truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I
>> was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would
>> cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to
>> continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen
>> beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold
>> will mean data will be automatically deleted.
>>
>> I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the
>> R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano.
>> We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep
>> things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
>>
>> I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay
>> myself, for several reasons:
>> No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is
>> little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest
>> to do about it.
>> and
>> There is a better alternative which is as follows:
>> The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
>> https://vintagebmw.org
>> (Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am
>> currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah .) Ha...
>>
>> If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an
>> immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for
>> instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell
>> area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are
>> digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of
>> information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German),
>> repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model
>> information such as VIN range and...
>> The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions
>> from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which
>> I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like
>> you, I really love the R90S.
>>
>> Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative
>> since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will
>> store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us
>> R90S members will post.
>> AND it is all searchable!
>>
>> We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO
>> site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S so that is good.
>>
>> You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have
>> mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you
>> prefer).
>> Or
>> You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or
>> have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't
>> pay to join.)
>>
>> If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a
>> better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.
>>
>> Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> and
>> Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into
>> this and contact me about it.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mac Kirkpatrick
>> Glenmoore, PA
>>
>> "After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
>> C. Donahue
>>
>
>
> --


Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA

"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue

["Frank ---Down Under"]

G’day Mac

was over 10 years, Yikes-----time flies mate, we met 9 years ago.

Incidentally, will the photos and files be transferred over too?


Frank
Down Under
From: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io [mailto:R90SWORLDNET@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mac Kirkpatrick
Sent: 13 August 2023 10:31 AM
To: R90SWORLDNET@groups.io
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet

I found that part Joe, thanks. I think that “some years back” was over 10 years, Yikes. Thx again,

Mac

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 18:37 joe lockhat <panhd60@gmail.com> wrote:
Mac, some years back you were looking for a cap for hour tire pump. I just ran across in my collection of parts. Do you still need it to make your beautiful bike complete?

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 6:05 PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@gmail.com> wrote:
All R90sWorldnet members:

As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.

I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!

I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons:
No one else sent me any thoughts about this which infers there is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it.
and
There is a better alternative which is as follows:
The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
https://vintagebmw.org
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president, the Grand Pu-bah .) Ha...

If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and...
The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.

Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.
AND it is all searchable!

We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S so that is good.

You can join the VBMWMO as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer).
Or
You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)

If we do this the R90sWorldnet will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate venues.

Please send me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, anything at all.

Thanks,
and
Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you,

Best,



Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA

"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
--


Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA

"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue